i think they know what they don't believe in, like no blood, no hellfire, no trinity....but they really couldn't explain what their beliefs are and why they believe as they do.
do you agree?
I agree Fernando, the more simple questions (best is "yes" or "no"quests) the better.
For example; "-The Watchtower tells us to believe. Do you believe or do you know that the Bible expresses the truth from God Jehovah?"
(The thing is, if you believe, you admit that you have not full confidence and not totally sure. On the other hand, if you know, you don´t need to believe)
i think they know what they don't believe in, like no blood, no hellfire, no trinity....but they really couldn't explain what their beliefs are and why they believe as they do.
do you agree?
once in a while, usually in the morning shortly after waking up, i find my "body" lifting up from my physical body, but i remain attached at the head.
it's a very pleasant experience but i wish i could totally separate from the physical body so i could go exploring.
this happened this morning again.. .
I have two ways to have an out-of-body-experience:
1. I wake up mentally in a dream, realizing that I´m dreaming (like a lucid dream) but with a higher clarity, understanding that my physical body is asleep in the bed. Once I mentally wake up I can float, fly and vist places with will.
2. The second method is to let the physical body fall in sleep (optimal time is early mornings when the physical body is realxed and almost rested) and let the mind remain awake. For example focus on something, it can be my breathing or a mental walk in a familiar area.
One of the signs that I'm very close to "get out" is a kind of vibrating sound that can almost paralyze the body. I know many that recognize this sound/electric experience bur they have not been aware their mind are very close to leave their physical body.
I can get "spiritually high" several of days after a strong experience. So, efter all, JW are more close to this then they understand (a hint; the name of one of their magazines) . All anyone need to have (for this experience) is awareness, a calm mind and to be mentally Awake!
Like I said, lucid dreams are very similar, but in a lower level of clarity, somewhere between an OOB-experience and a normal dream.
I know people who claim to have seen and talked to their dead relatives, seen fragments of past lifes and so on. I have not fonfirmed that myself,
but the reality of the experience is something extraordinary, ways better than anything else I have experienced in this physical world.
For a JW this is occult and "is trongly influenced by Satan". For me it´s awareness in its most lovely form.
once in a while, usually in the morning shortly after waking up, i find my "body" lifting up from my physical body, but i remain attached at the head.
it's a very pleasant experience but i wish i could totally separate from the physical body so i could go exploring.
this happened this morning again.. .
I have had OOB-experiences many times, often on a hihgher level of reality than I have here.
Is it not the divine Watchtower society who claims it´s not possible to leave our physical body before death?!?
I can prove for myself that they are 100% wrong.
i think they know what they don't believe in, like no blood, no hellfire, no trinity....but they really couldn't explain what their beliefs are and why they believe as they do.
do you agree?
They say that their belief is on a higher level than just believing: they KNOW, it´s a feeling of knowing.
It´s interesting that they see the way to knowledge like this:
1. Open minded for the bible
2. A conviction
3. A deep and untouchable belief
4. "divine" feeling of knowing. Finished!
That is scary.
i had the dubious pleasure of explaining the 1914 generation change doctrine to a relative who has been a jw for all of his life the other day.
he didn't even know that there had been a generation change and that the wt was no longer claiming that those alive in 1914 would still be alive when armageddon struck.. however, he said he would only believe me if i could tell him the exact date of the watchtower that explained this change.. though i know it is 1995, i do not know the exact date/issue and he refused to research it claiming it would show lack of faith on his part if he questioned his beliefs....but he said he would look it up if i told him which issue it was.. so, please, could anyone direct me to the exact issue in which this world shattering event was revealed?.
i remember, many jws, especially elderly ones being shocked at this revelation, but obviously this particular relative was not concentrating at the time!!
Awake 1984 nov 22........
And:
tonight on the service meeting we discussed why jws are not false prophets.
of the ten minute part two were spent discussing that jws just had wrong expectations and only very minor changes over the years although nothing specific was mentioned.
the other eight focused on the core bible truths that have remained the same over the years.
And the scan of it:
you remember the 'encouragement' to be teachable, humble, like little children.... well, children ask questions, and lots of 'em.... so, what happens when we keep on wondering and have questions that demand answers?.
according to jw's, a person has to stop being teachable like little children.
a person is told not to do any real research (which requires humility, a sense of wonder, and openness to new ideas and concepts)....for fear that research done outside of the organizations approved sources- their own- a person may discover contradictions and lies.
To be humble and open minded is to have no pre-conceived and biased opinions about what we don´t know. The problem is when someone starts to believe, the belief itself removes this innocent state. So, instead of keeping an humble state and open mind, JW want to close you down (even if they believe they are open and humble). But they are to blind to realize it. That´s not a opinion, it´s a fact.
